Andrius is visiting Marcus in Tampere, Finland. Here is a page on their working together.
Marcus and Andrius working together
What do they want to work on together during this visit?
- 1) Clarifying Marcus's investigation of syntropic finance.
- 2) Bridging with Andrius's investigation of the ways of figuring things out in economics, connecting with Wondrous Wisdom.
- 3) Making explicit Andrius's understanding of the Living by Truth culture, making sense of it from Marcus's point of view, and noting its relevance in our work together and with others.
- 4) Pulling that all together with Marcus's presentation of himself as an alithonaut in the Living by Truth culture and an econaut in the Econet movement of citizen scientists, including his work with others.
Additionally
- 5) Thinking through how to support Marcus as he searches for work.
- 6) Planning how Marcus can meaningfully include others in our Living by Truth culture and our Econet movement.
- 7) Identifying other directions of working together that naturally arise (such as theology).
Making explicit and nurturing the Living by Truth culture
- A) Sketch out a booklet for the Living by Truth culture.
- H) Working with Marcus on supporting our investigators and reaching out to others.
- G) Teaching Marcus Wondrous Wisdom.
Developing Econet as a wider movement
- B) Make an audit of the Econet website.
- C) Make a video presenting Marcus as a host of Econet.
- D) Practice making videos relevant for our activities.
Presenting Econet at the conference
- E) Clarifying Marcus's question on syntropic finance.
- F) Clarifying Marcus's presentation of the Econet action plan.
The main question:
What is syntropic finance, can it exist and does it work?
Some questions to consider:
- Why do you care about syntropic finance? Something new to investigate. Affects my life and the planet's life. I want to be in harmony with that planet. I am looking to achieve that harmony. Defensiveness and agency. Connects with meaningful inclusion. I am excluded from academic community and practical ecological community because I am far away from others. I can be more participative and do that with other people. I have some related knowledge and wisdom that I can share. I have connected with MycoFi, Biofi, DeFi and CoFi people who I think are missing some of them.
- What is the aspect that they are missing? Syntropy. They are too simplistic, they don't see the stages of evolution, or their necessity, but simply an on-off switch. They are not looking at the ecological but only looking at the financial or social angle. I want to integrate the various perspectives. This agrees with pattern languages and integral theory.
- What is your general idea of syntropic finance?
- State what syntropic finance is without any reference to agricultural analogies.
- In what other field does the concept of syntropy exist? (It exists in agro-forestry.)
- Is syntropy the same as synergy?
- Why presume that there is a final stage in economic development?
- Why presume there is one final stage?
- If there is one final stage, and one series of stages, why worry about achieving that or accelerating that?
- What does it mean for you to be in harmony with the planet? Limiting my harm to nature, and keeping my impact to my local bioregion and not going beyond that. Developing this as a paradigm for all of humanity. With the consequence of transitioning from cities to living in networks of settlements.
- What are the principles and logic that lead from your notion of harmony to reorganizing the whole planet?
- Why do you want to write academic papers? Having a lasting impact, not having my work destroyed. Not wanting to feel alone intellectually, existentially.
- How would that look from the point of view of the big picture? Recognizing others who feel similarly. Working with them as a network to create an alternate reality. But there are many examples where these efforts are limited or do not transcend limitations. Some examples go a ways further but still may not live up to their promise, stagnate, disappoint or fail. An example is Couchsurfing, the flourishing of its culture and its collapse, and the alternative posed by AirBnB. Such examples can be interpreted as an evolution of cultural stages, including the challenges that come up in time of organizing in an economical way, which is suggestive for syntropic finance. This leads to the relation between cultural clarity and economic possibility.